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	<title>Not So Relevant &#187; OpenID</title>
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		<title>No Clue on Technology</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-05-23/no-clue-on-technology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who has been reading this blog for a while now knows that one of the main topics here is OpenID. Actually it has become a focal point of the blog. I got interested in identity management and OpenID when doing a vanity search on Google almost two years ago. Realizing that there was more [...]


Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-05-10/good-thoughts-on-online-identity/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Good Thoughts on Online Identity'>Good Thoughts on Online Identity</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-02-19/claimid-verification-of-identities/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: claimID: Verification of Identities'>claimID: Verification of Identities</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-09-10/confusing-lists/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Confusing Lists'>Confusing Lists</a></li></ol>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has been reading this blog for a while now knows that one of the main topics here is <a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow" ><strong>OpenID</strong></a>. Actually it has become a focal point of the blog. I got interested in identity management and OpenID when doing a vanity search on Google almost two years ago. Realizing that there was more than one <em>Carsten P&#246;tter</em> listed in search engine results and that I don&#8217;t want to be associated with at least some of them - you don&#8217;t want to see your name on an anti-Semitic site, do you? - I tried to aggregate online profiles in one place, building a brand. Also blogging certainly helped being listed more prominently in search results later. One of the first tools I used for aggregation was <a href="http://claimid.com/" rel="nofollow" >ClaimID</a> and from there it&#8217;s just a small step to OpenID. I was hooked.</p>
<p>OpenID was emerging back then. It was and still is interesting to watch developments being made, see it grow, and gain momentum. I think I have learned a few things about the technology, though I am not a developer. I can&#8217;t code and while I am subscribed to the OpenID mailing list, some discussions there are over my head. I don&#8217;t have the background to follow them and simply don&#8217;t have enough time to gain some deeper knowledge. The only contribution to OpenID I can offer is an end user perspective, blogging and talking about it.</p>
<p>However some people have the false impression I was some kind of expert. That happened more than <a href="http://www.notsorelevant.com/2008-01-18/creators-of-openid/" rel="nofollow"  title="I am not a creator of OpenID">once</a> already. I am certainly no expert. I am not even sure if everything I write about OpenID is technically correct. But I think information (especially) on new technologies has to be correct. How can people be convinced to adopt a technology if they can&#8217;t be sure the information given to them is correct? I can&#8217;t offer this guarantee.</p>
<p>So does it still make sense to write about OpenID (the same applies for other technologies like microformats as well)? Currently I am undecided. Today I have seen a <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/05/22/friendfeed-room/" rel="nofollow"  title="Mashable on FriendFeed rooms">post on Mashable</a> associating <a href="http://friendfeed.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="FriendFeed">FriendFeed</a> with the semantic web. It&#8217;s nonsense, of course. But am I immune to such articles? I guess, not.</p>
<p>Maybe this is the most stupid article ever written on a blog but I will probably maintain a low profile on OpenID for a couple of weeks. In two weeks there will be a <a href="http://www.barcamp.org/IdentityCampBremen" rel="nofollow"  title="Identity Camp Bremen">barcamp on identity</a> in Bremen. I registered for it already but I won&#8217;t go, I guess. It doesn&#8217;t make much sense.</p>


<p>Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-05-10/good-thoughts-on-online-identity/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Good Thoughts on Online Identity'>Good Thoughts on Online Identity</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-02-19/claimid-verification-of-identities/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: claimID: Verification of Identities'>claimID: Verification of Identities</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-09-10/confusing-lists/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Confusing Lists'>Confusing Lists</a></li></ol></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Germany: OpenID Related News</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-05-03/germany-openid-related-news/</link>
		<comments>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-05-03/germany-openid-related-news/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[For Saturday evening just three quick notes about OpenID related news from Germany:

Dennis Bl&#246;te of event calendaring service Venteria has launched a Ruby on Rails based OpenID server called masquerade. You can have a look at the code here.
Dennis has also launched an OpenID provider as a demo application which works rather well. It&#8217;s also [...]


Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-09-09/seatbelt-switch-openid-providers-easily/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: SeatBelt: Switch OpenID Providers Easily'>SeatBelt: Switch OpenID Providers Easily</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-10-22/introduction-to-openid-on-zeit-online/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Introduction to OpenID on Zeit Online'>Introduction to OpenID on Zeit Online</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-30/online-shopping-with-openid/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Online Shopping with OpenID'>Online Shopping with OpenID</a></li></ol>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Saturday evening just three quick notes about <strong><a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid">OpenID</a></strong> related news from Germany:</p>
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<li><a href="http://blog.dopefreshtight.de/" rel="nofollow"  title="Dennis Bl&#246;te" rel="contact">Dennis Bl&#246;te</a> of event calendaring service <a href="http://venteria.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="venteria">Venteria</a> has launched a Ruby on Rails based OpenID server called <strong><a href="http://dennisbloete.de/projects/masquerade/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid server masquerade">masquerade</a></strong>. You can have a look at the code <a href="http://github.com/dbloete/masquerade/tree/master" rel="nofollow"  title="code for masquerade">here</a>.<br />
Dennis has also launched an <a href="https://m.asquera.de/" rel="nofollow"  title="masquerade openid provider">OpenID provider</a> as a demo application which works rather well. It&#8217;s also one of the first providers supporting <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html" rel="nofollow"  title="attribute exchange">Attribute Exchange</a>. And it seems to also support VeriSign&#8217;s <a href="https://pip.verisignlabs.com/seatbelt.do" rel="nofollow"  title="verisign seatbelt">SeatBelt</a> plugin. Really good.</li>
<li>OpenID provider <strong><a href="http://www.xlogon.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="xlogon">xlogon</a></strong> has supported the <a href="http://www.vdb-online.org/" rel="nofollow"  title="verein deutscher bibliothekare">Verein Deutscher Bibliothekare</a> (Society of German Librarians) to enable its website with OpenID. The society needed a convenient way for granting members access to a protected area of its website (see <a href="http://www.xlogon.net/de/system/files/xlogon_VDB-online.pdf" rel="nofollow"  title="press release of xlogon and vdb">press release</a>, German, <abbr title="Portable Document File">PDF</abbr>).<br />
The society and xlogon also provide a step by step introduction to OpenID on the society&#8217;s website. I think it&#8217;s crucial to explain a new login system to members as it helps to raise acceptance. Well done.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.agenturblog.de/2008-05/openid-chancen-und-risiken/" rel="nofollow"  title="oliver wagner">Oliver Wagner</a> has co-authored an article on the pros and cons of OpenID for the print magazine <a href="http://www.wisu.de/" rel="nofollow"  title="das wirtschaftsstudium">Das Wirtschaftsstudium</a> (Economic Studies). The magazine focuses on education and career opportunities for students of economic studies. So a different audience will know about OpenID soon. <a href="http://www.christian-maass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/openid_maas.pdf" rel="nofollow"  title="openid chancen und risiken">the article</a> can be downloaded already (German, <abbr title="Portable Document File">PDF</abbr>).</li>
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<p>Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-09-09/seatbelt-switch-openid-providers-easily/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: SeatBelt: Switch OpenID Providers Easily'>SeatBelt: Switch OpenID Providers Easily</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-10-22/introduction-to-openid-on-zeit-online/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Introduction to OpenID on Zeit Online'>Introduction to OpenID on Zeit Online</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-30/online-shopping-with-openid/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Online Shopping with OpenID'>Online Shopping with OpenID</a></li></ol></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>More Support for Open Standards on MyBlogLog and Digg</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-05-02/more-support-for-open-standards-on-mybloglog-and-digg/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[MyBlogLog is becoming the most talked about service on this blog, I guess. Maybe I should make it a weekly feature. 
Well, what&#8217;s the news of today then? MyBlogLog is an OpenID provider now. And no, sadly it&#8217;s not a relying party as well.
Users who want their MyBlogLog profile URL to be an OpenID identifier [...]


Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-01-29/will-digg-embrace-open-standards/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Will Digg Embrace Open Standards?'>Will Digg Embrace Open Standards?</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-05-10/mybloglog-about-to-support-openid/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: MyBlogLog about to support OpenID'>MyBlogLog about to support OpenID</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-14/mybloglog-adds-microid-and-foaf/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: MyBlogLog Adds MicroID and FOAF'>MyBlogLog Adds MicroID and FOAF</a></li></ol>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mybloglog.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="mybloglog"><strong>MyBlogLog</strong></a> is becoming the most talked about service on this blog, I guess. Maybe I should make it a weekly feature. <img src='http://notsorelevant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Well, what&#8217;s the <a href="http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/mybloglog-and-o.html" rel="nofollow"  title="mybloglog is an openid provider">news</a> of today then? MyBlogLog is an <a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid"><strong>OpenID</strong></a> provider now. And no, sadly it&#8217;s not a relying party as well.</p>
<p>Users who want their MyBlogLog profile <abbr title="Uniform Resource Locator">URL</abbr> to be an OpenID identifier have to opt-in at the Yahoo! <a href="https://open.login.yahoo.com/openid/op/start" rel="nofollow"  title="yahoo openid login">OpenID site</a>. So it is no surprise that this implementation provides the same features as Yahoo!&#8217;s (see my <a href="http://www.notsorelevant.com/2008-02-02/user-friendly-openid-implementation/" rel="nofollow"  title="yahoo openid implementation">post</a> about it). It also means that users don&#8217;t have to log in with their complete profile <abbr title="Uniform Resource Locator">URL</abbr> (<em>http://www.mybloglog.com/buzz/memebers/username</em>) but can shorten the OpenID to <em>mybloglog.com</em>. OpenID 2.0 and directed identity make it possible.</p>
<p>Also interesting to note is the <a href="http://shreyasdoshi.typepad.com/main/2008/05/claim-ownership.html" rel="nofollow"  title="weblog of shreyas doshi">blog post</a> about MyBlogLog&#8217;s OpenID support by Shreyas Doshi, product manager for Yahoo!&#8217;s OpenID initiative:</p>
<blockquote><p>With this change, we have also eliminated the only-one-custom-OpenID-identifier per-account restriction. This means that you can select both your Flickr photostream AND your MyBlogLog profile URL as your OpenID identifiers, in addition to creating a pretty me.yahoo.com identifier.</p></blockquote>
<p>Can we speculate about del.icio.us and Upcoming OpenID identifiers as well now? More providers? Please become relying parties!</p>
<p>By the way, MyBlogLog also added a nice <abbr title="Friend of a Friend">FOAF</abbr> icon next to the vCard and hCard icons on profiles. They heard you, <a href="http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/04/mybloglog-hcard.html#comment-112367812" rel="nofollow"  title="comment by robert mark white">Robert</a>. <img src='http://notsorelevant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<h4>And Digg?</h4>
<p>Meanwhile <a href="http://digg.com/" rel="nofollow" ><strong>Digg</strong></a> has <a href="http://blog.digg.com/?p=120" rel="nofollow"  title="digg blog">added</a> <abbr title="XHTML Friends Network">XFN</abbr> support to user profiles and <abbr title="resource description framework attributes">RDFa</abbr> to submitted stories. Good to see further <a href="http://www.notsorelevant.com/2008-01-29/will-digg-embrace-open-standards/" rel="nofollow"  title="digg embraces open standards">implementations of open standards</a> on Digg. Maybe we will eventually see OpenID support. Announcements have been made more than once.</p>


<p>Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-01-29/will-digg-embrace-open-standards/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Will Digg Embrace Open Standards?'>Will Digg Embrace Open Standards?</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-05-10/mybloglog-about-to-support-openid/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: MyBlogLog about to support OpenID'>MyBlogLog about to support OpenID</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-14/mybloglog-adds-microid-and-foaf/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: MyBlogLog Adds MicroID and FOAF'>MyBlogLog Adds MicroID and FOAF</a></li></ol></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Online Shopping with OpenID</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-30/online-shopping-with-openid/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of weeks ago Thomas Huhn and I discussed OpenID and online shops. We noticed that hardly any of them have adopted the technology yet. Well, actually I don&#8217;t know any at all. Maybe Thomas knows some. However we noticed that more and more shops - at least in Germany - don&#8217;t require customers [...]


Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-01-15/recommendations-by-tastebroker/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Recommendations by TasteBroker'>Recommendations by TasteBroker</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-12-26/publishing-attention-data/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Publishing Attention Data'>Publishing Attention Data</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-12-29/a-good-year-for-openid/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: A Good Year for OpenID?'>A Good Year for OpenID?</a></li></ol>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of weeks ago <a href="http://lifestrea.ms/user/thomas.huhn" rel="nofollow"  rel="contact" title="thomas huhn">Thomas Huhn</a> and I discussed <strong><a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow" >OpenID</a></strong> and online shops. We noticed that hardly any of them have adopted the technology yet. Well, actually I don&#8217;t know any at all. Maybe Thomas knows some. However we noticed that more and more shops - at least in Germany - don&#8217;t require customers to register an account permanently if they don&#8217;t intend to return to the site later. Creating accounts is just a matter of convenience. No need to provide details once again if customers return.</p>
<p>Though from my own experience I can say that I am hesistant creating accounts at online shops. If I have the option to purchase products without that step, I go for it. I rather type in the required information once again if I return to a certain shop later. There is no specific reason why I don&#8217;t want to create accounts all over the place. Maybe I just want to keep the number low.</p>
<h4>What about OpenID?</h4>
<p>Online shops should implement OpenID. That changed things for me. I had to provide necessary details like my address just once. Not to any shop but only to my OpenID provider. There are cool extensions to the OpenID protocol which support this: <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-simple-registration-extension-1_0.html" rel="nofollow"  title="simple registration extension">Simple Registration</a> and <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-exchange-1_0.html" rel="nofollow"  title="attribute exchange">Attribute Exchange</a> (also see <a href="http://blog.dopefreshtight.de/" rel="nofollow"  rel="contact" title="dennis blÃ¶te">Dennis BlÃ¶te&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://blog.dopefreshtight.de/artikel/on-openid-attribute-exchange/" rel="nofollow"  title="on openid attribute exchange">excellent article</a> on the topic). Both extensions allow transfer of profile data from an OpenID provider to a relying party, e.g. a shop. The first time I confirm my OpenID to a shop, it (=the shop) asks for that data. If I allow it to always fetch that data all future authentication requests work without me interferring.</p>
<p>So what happens if my address changes? Now you might argue that I still had to update all my accounts at online shops. I think that&#8217;s unnecessary. Shops don&#8217;t even have to store that data. Thanks to Simple Registration and Attribute Exchange. Assuming my address changes I will update it at my provider. When returning to a shop it simply asks my provider for the necessary details again and gets updated information. It&#8217;s really that simple: the shop will always have updated data but doesn&#8217;t have to store it and doesn&#8217;t even have to ask me for it. When the products are delivered and paid, it can delete my data.</p>
<h4>Recommendations</h4>
<p>Can online shopping be even more convenient? <strong><abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language"><a href="http://apml.org/" rel="nofollow"  title="apml">APML</a></abbr></strong> comes to mind. It collects users&#8217; attention data and their interests, e.g. their favourite music or movies. Just think of Amazon&#8217;s recommendation system. The data is stored in a file which can be shared and parsed by services that support the standard.</p>
<p>The <abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language">APML</abbr> file can be stored everywhere. Why not at my OpenID provider? A shop could ask for that file and it would be transferred to it from my provider and I could get recommendations based on my attention profile even if it&#8217;s the first time I visit the shop. That&#8217;s not suitable for every kind of shop, of course, but for <abbr title="Compact Disc">CD</abbr> shops it worked if my <abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language">APML</abbr> file contained all the music I listened to on Last.fm for example. And that&#8217;s the difference to Amazon. Amazon can only recommend products to me if I already purchased products there or surfed the site intensively. A shop supporting <abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language">APML</abbr> can do that right away.</p>
<p><strike>As far as I know there is no discovery specification for <abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language">APML</abbr> files yet. I had to tell the shop where it is. But I think that problem could be solved someday. I am not a developer, though. So maybe it can&#8217;t!?</strike> <strong>Update May 3:</strong> Actually there is discovery already implemented. I just should have had a look at the source of my blog. It looks like this:<br />
<code>&lt;link rel="meta" type="application/xml+apml" title="APML" href="http://example.com/apml"/&gt;</code></p>
<p>Well, it was even a greater shopping experience if the online shop could update my <abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language">APML</abbr> file based on the products I purchased there and wrote it back to my OpenID provider. Once again I don&#8217;t know how this could work. Maybe <a href="http://oauth.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="oauth">OAuth</a> is a solution or even Attribute Exchange as it is capable of storing data at the OpenID provider. Maybe some clever minds know. I just write stupid articles. <img src='http://notsorelevant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<h4>Conclusion</h4>
<p>Maybe those ideas are really just plain stupid but I think OpenID could really help making online shopping more user friendly. There are benefits for both customers and shops. Customers don&#8217;t have to deal with registration processes anymore and get better recommendations for products they might be interested in. On the other hand, shops will always have more accurate data of their customers and with <abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language">APML</abbr> support they could even boost sales because customers are only shown relevant products. Also they can save on data management.</p>
<p>Maybe there is even some revenue for OpenID providers. Since they provide user data and even valuable attention profiles they could get a fixed percentage of sales made <strike>by their users</strike>. Think of credit card companies&#8217; business model.</p>


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		<title>An ID Selector, Images, and the BBC</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-22/an-id-selector-images-and-the-bbc/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News on <a href="http://openid.net/ title=" rel="nofollow" openid">OpenID</a> come in daily this week, it seems. OK, it&#8217;s only Tuesday and maybe there won&#8217;t be any OpenID related news for the rest of the week anymore. So here&#8217;s a roundup of the last two days.</p>
<h4>ID Selector</h4>
<p><strong><a href="http://janrain.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="janrain">JanRain</a></strong> has <a href="http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/04/prweb879254.htm" rel="nofollow"  title="janrain launches id selector">launched</a> a new tool for relying parties called <strong><a href="http://www.idselector.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="ID Selector">ID Selector</a></strong>. It&#8217;s a widget that is being added to existing login forms. Relying parties can populate it with OpenID providers of their choice. If users click ID Selector they only have to choose their provider and type in the username part of their OpenID; they don&#8217;t have to remember the complete <abbr title="Uniform Resource Locator">URL</abbr>. The widget remembers the provider even across different relying parties. JanRain also makes sure that only those providers are visible to users which support the OpenID standard the relying party also supports.</p>
<p>ID Selector is a great improvement in terms of usability. While some people have raised security questions (see the <a href="http://www.nabble.com/A-selector-for-OpenID-td16778699.html" rel="nofollow"  title="discussion about id selector on openid mailing list">discussion</a> on the OpenID mailing list), this is a great step in the right direction to attract more users and maybe even help websites becoming relying parties.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a screenshot of ClaimID&#8217;s implementation of ID Selector:</p>
<p><img src='http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/idselector-claimid.jpg' alt='id selector' /></p>
<h4>ConfIdent RecognitionAUTH</h4>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.confidenttechnologies.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="confident technologies">ConfIdent Technologies</a></strong> has made its <em>RecognitionAUTH</em> system available to OpenID providers. RecognitionAUTH provides a grid of images of different categories. Users simply choose a few categories and remember them (refer to the example below). People familiar with OpenID providers will know this system already: it is the one <a href="http://myvidoop.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="myvidoop">myVidoop</a> uses which is no surprise at all as ConfIdent Technologies is a company <a href="http://blog.vidoop.com/archives/91" rel="nofollow"  title="confident technologies founded">founded</a> by Vidoop employees. Currently ClaimID, Clickpass, and ooTao feature this system as well. It provides more security than the usual password for login at providers because it adds a second factor for authentication.</p>
<p><img src='http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/vidoop.jpg' alt='vidoop' /></p>
<h4>BBC Joins OpenID Foundation</h4>
<p>The <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/" rel="nofollow"  title="bbc"><abbr title="British Broadcasting Corporation">BBC</abbr></a> has joined the <a href="http://openid.net/foundation/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid foundation">OpenID Foundation</a> today. It won&#8217;t offer OpenID logins soon, though, but it will have a closer look at the technology.</p>
<blockquote><p>However, at this stage [...] this doesn&#8217;t mean that we are going to immediately be offering OpenIDs on bbc.co.uk or even promising to do so.</p></blockquote>
<p>The blog post <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/bbc_joins_openid_foundation.html" rel="nofollow"  title="bbc joins openid foundation">announcing</a> this also makes references towards OAuth, <abbr title="Attention Profiling Mark-up Language">APML</abbr>, and <abbr title="Resource Description Framework">RDF</abbr>. So hopefully there will be some more announcements by the <abbr title="British Broadcasting Corporation">BBC</abbr> in the not so distant future.</p>
<p>[via <a href="http://openid.net/2008/04/22/british-broadcasting-corp-bbc-joins-openid-foundation/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid.net">OpenID.net</a>]</p>


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		<title>mymobile-ID: New German OpenID Provider</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-17/mymobile-id-new-german-openid-provider/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday a new OpenID provider has been launched: German mymobile-ID. It is still in alpha and run by empulse, a small consulting and software company.
mymobile-ID uses a text message (=SMS) to verify new users. Though that service is just available to German users. That&#8217;s a little bit irritating because all text is in English on [...]


Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-03-29/german-openid-provider-launched/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: German OpenID Provider Launched'>German OpenID Provider Launched</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-04-11/xlogon-another-provider-for-the-german-community/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Xlogon: Another Provider for the German Community'>Xlogon: Another Provider for the German Community</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-01-17/yahoo-will-be-an-openid-provider/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Yahoo! will be an OpenID Provider'>Yahoo! will be an OpenID Provider</a></li></ol>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday a new <a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid">OpenID</a> provider has been launched: German <strong><a href="http://www.mymobile-id.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="mymobile-id">mymobile-ID</a></strong>. It is still in alpha and run by <strong><a href="http://www.empulse.de/" rel="nofollow"  title="empulse">empulse</a></strong>, a small consulting and software company.</p>
<p>mymobile-ID uses a text message (=<abbr title="Short Message Service">SMS</abbr>) to verify new users. Though that service is just available to German users. That&#8217;s a little bit irritating because all text is in English on the website. Maybe it will open up for international users after alpha or beta testing. I don&#8217;t really know, though.</p>
<p><abbr title="Simple Registration Extension">SREG</abbr> is supported and login worked smoothly on the website I tested it. I can&#8217;t report much on more features. That&#8217;s probably too early as it has just been launched. However I don&#8217;t like the identity page. It looks rather empty:</p>
<p><img src='http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/endpoint.jpg' alt='identity page' /></p>
<p>[via <a href="http://momb.socio-kybernetics.net/alpha/mymobile-id" rel="nofollow"  title="museum of modern betas">Museum of Modern Betas</a>]</p>


<p>Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-03-29/german-openid-provider-launched/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: German OpenID Provider Launched'>German OpenID Provider Launched</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2007-04-11/xlogon-another-provider-for-the-german-community/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Xlogon: Another Provider for the German Community'>Xlogon: Another Provider for the German Community</a></li><li><a href='http://notsorelevant.com/2008-01-17/yahoo-will-be-an-openid-provider/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Yahoo! will be an OpenID Provider'>Yahoo! will be an OpenID Provider</a></li></ol></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>MyOpenID for Domains</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-16/myopenid-for-domains/</link>
		<comments>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-16/myopenid-for-domains/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems like every company is launching new features rather silently these days. Remember MyBlogLog&#8217;s MicroID support? This time it is MyOpenID.com. The new feature is called MyOpenID for Domains.
What is it about?
So what is this about, you might be wondering. Well, basically it gives several people an OpenID which is tied to a domain [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like every company is launching new features rather silently these days. Remember MyBlogLog&#8217;s MicroID support? This time it is <strong><a href="https://www.myopenid.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="myopenid">MyOpenID.com</a></strong>. The new feature is called <strong><a href="https://www.myopenid.com/product_domains" rel="nofollow"  title="myopenid for domains">MyOpenID for Domains</a></strong>.</p>
<h4>What is it about?</h4>
<p>So what is this about, you might be wondering. Well, basically it gives several people an <a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid">OpenID</a> which is tied to a domain a user controls. Still don&#8217;t get it? Here&#8217;s a quote from the MyOpenID website:</p>
<blockquote><p>myOpenID for Domains is a new service that helps you give members of your small business, family, or organization an OpenID URL at your own domain. Members get all the features of myOpenID, but get a URL at your domain instead of at myopenid.com. You still own the domain, we just host the identity pages and handle all of the other OpenID stuff.</p></blockquote>
<p>It works by adding a CNAME entry to the <abbr title="Domain Name System">DNS</abbr> of the domain users control.</p>
<p><strong>Update April 16, 10:33pm:</strong> <a href="http://notizblog.org/2008/04/16/das-kleine-problem-mit-microids/#comment-7813" rel="nofollow"  rel="contact" title="comment regarding microid and myopenid for domains">Matthias noted</a> in the comments of his <a href="http://notizblog.org" rel="nofollow"  title="notizblog">blog</a> that website verification is not done by MicroID. Why? It&#8217;s suitable for that purpose, I think.</p>
<h4>OpenID for everyone</h4>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a really great idea because many more people are able to get an OpenID this way. Especially small companies could benefit from it and follow <a href="http://www.notsorelevant.com/2007-05-07/sun-and-dick-hardt/" rel="nofollow"  title="sun becomes an openid provider">Sun Microsystem&#8217;s example</a> by providing OpenIDs for their staff. They won&#8217;t have to deal with the technical issues of setting up an OpenID server themselves and securing and maintaining it. Provided the companies trust MyOpenID.com, of course.</p>
<h4>A business model?</h4>
<p>I often wondered if there was a business model for specialized OpenID providers like MyOpenID.com. MyOpenID for Domains could be one. It is free of charge so far and <q>small to medium sized businesses</q> are mentioned as example uses on the website. But when is a company not medium sized anymore? MyOpenID.com could offer larger companies the same service for a fee. While this probably won&#8217;t be sufficient to survive in the long run, it could be a start to generate revenue.</p>
<p>[via <a href="http://twitter.com/marshallk/statuses/789948492" rel="nofollow"  title="marshall kirkpatrick on twitter">Marshall Kirkpatrick on Twitter</a>]</p>


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		<title>Normalization or What Is Your OpenID?</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-13/normalization-or-what-is-your-openid/</link>
		<comments>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-04-13/normalization-or-what-is-your-openid/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[While I know a little bit about OpenID I never really cared much about the technical background, the specification, and other related issues. I am an end user and I just want the relying party redirecting me to my provider which then should do some funny authentication schemes happening in the background, sending me back [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I know a little bit about <strong><a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid">OpenID</a></strong> I never really cared much about the technical background, the <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html" rel="nofollow"  title="openid 2.0 specification">specification</a>, and other related issues. I am an end user and I just want the relying party redirecting me to my provider which then should do some funny authentication schemes happening in the background, sending me back to the relying party, and eventually I will be logged in there. And fortunately this is exactly what happens most of the time.</p>
<h4>Normalization</h4>
<p>Most of the time? Not always? Well, sometimes things start to go wrong right in the beginning of a user&#8217;s OpenID experience: when typing in their OpenID in the relying party&#8217;s form field. Remember, an OpenID is a <abbr title="Uniform Resource Locator">URL</abbr>, something like this: <em>http://youropenid.com/</em>.</p>
<p>However is there a difference if you type:</p>
<ul>
<li>http://youropenid.com or</li>
<li>youropenid.com</li>
</ul>
<p>There shouldn&#8217;t be a difference but sometimes there is. According to the <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html#normalization" rel="nofollow"  title="openid 2.0 specification normalization">OpenID 2.0 specification</a> relying parties must <em>normalize</em> those inputs to <em>http://youropenid.com/</em>. There are some more <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html#normalization_example" rel="nofollow"  title="openid 2.0 specification normalization examples">examples</a> given in the specification, so have a look at them as well. Normalization was mentioned in the <a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-1_1.html#anchor6" rel="nofollow"  title="openid 1.1 specification important notes">OpenID 1.1 specification</a> as well, but certainly not as clearly as in the OpenID 2.0 one.</p>
<h4>User Experience</h4>
<p>However there are some relying parties out there which have not implemented normalization properly or at all. And this is a problem to end users like me. If I create an account with <em>http://youropenid.com</em> and the next time I log in with <em>http://youropenid.com/</em> I have created two accounts. Not a good idea. The only difference is the trailing slash. That&#8217;s not obvious or understandable for non-techie users. I have learned about that just today as well.</p>
<p>OpenID still suffers from claims to be too technical and not being particularly user friendly. Lack of normalization just adds to those claims. Although people use social networks and probably know how to access their profiles there, a <abbr title="Uniform Resource Locator">URL</abbr> is still rather uncommon to use. So relying parties should do their best to make users&#8217; life as comfortable as they can. In the meantime it&#8217;s probably best for end users to always add <em>http://</em> and to remember if they used a trailing slash or not.</p>


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		<title>New Sign In Page: A Smart Move by Ma.gnolia</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-03-27/new-sign-in-page-a-smart-move-by-magnolia/</link>
		<comments>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-03-27/new-sign-in-page-a-smart-move-by-magnolia/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night it was mentioned on the Vidoop blog that social bookmarking service Ma.gnolia has launched a new sign in page. I still wait for the Ma.gnolia newsletter to read it straight from the horse&#8217;s mouth, though.
Anyway, what&#8217;s so interesting about a new sign in page, you may ask? Well, simply Ma.gnolia requires that users [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night it was mentioned on the <a href="http://blog.vidoop.com/archives/82" rel="nofollow"  title="Vidoop blog">Vidoop blog</a> that social bookmarking service <a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="Ma.gnolia"><strong>Ma.gnolia</strong></a> has launched a new <a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/signin" rel="nofollow"  title="Ma.gnolia sign in page">sign in page</a>. I still wait for the Ma.gnolia newsletter to read it straight from the horse&#8217;s mouth, though.</p>
<p>Anyway, what&#8217;s so interesting about a new sign in page, you may ask? Well, simply Ma.gnolia requires that users have a verified identity with another service already. It won&#8217;t be possible for new members to use a username and password combination to join Ma.gnolia anymore. The sign in page looks like this:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/sign_in.jpg" alt="sign in" title="sign in" align="bottom" width="330" height="272" border="0" /></p>
<p>The screenshot can be interpreted that the verified identity can only be an <a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid">OpenID</a>. Though that&#8217;s wrong. From the dropdown menu users can choose from these services:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/methods.jpg" alt="methods" title="methods" align="bottom" width="161" height="186" border="0" /></p>
<p>Of course, the majority also works as an OpenID provider, though a Facebook <abbr title="Identity">ID</abbr> is also possible.</p>
<h4>Spam</h4>
<p>So what&#8217;s the reason for Ma.gnolia to change the sign in method? According to a <a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2008/01/31/a-dirty-shame" rel="nofollow"  title="Ma.gnolia blog post - a dirty shame">blog post</a> from <span class="vcard"><a href="http://larryhalff.com/" rel="nofollow" class="url fn"  title="Larry Halff">Larry Halff</a></span> from January already, it&#8217;s spam. Larry explained that almost 80% of all new accounts created were ones by spammers. Actually I didn&#8217;t expect such a high number. Spam still seems to be a very profitable business. Some spammers create accounts manually but most of them are created by bots. As you can see from the comments of that blog post, Ma.gnolia is not the only service affected by spam, <a href="http://www.simpy.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="Simpy">Simpy</a> suffers as well.</p>
<p>Will the new sign in process prevent spammers from joining? Probably not. Spammers can sign up for Facebook and they can also get an OpenID from different providers. But it makes their shady business harder and hopefully less profitable.</p>
<h4>Outsourcing Identity Verification</h4>
<p>Other companies like <a href="http://buxfer.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="Buxfer">Buxfer</a> also allow users to sign in with identities from other services (see screenshot below). It seems to become a trend and it&#8217;s actually a rather smart move by companies because in most cases they will get more accurate information about new users while they don&#8217;t have to deal with account verification.</p>
<p>Users profit as well as they don&#8217;t have to provide passwords to another company. Also they don&#8217;t have to build the same amount of trust to those companies. They can stay with a provider who they trust.</p>
<p>Buxfer&#8217;s sign in options:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/buxfer.jpg" alt="buxfer" title="buxfer" align="bottom" width="321" height="106" border="0" /></p>


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		<title>ClickPass: I Don&#8217;t Get It</title>
		<link>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-03-11/clickpass-i-dont-get-it/</link>
		<comments>http://notsorelevant.com/2008-03-11/clickpass-i-dont-get-it/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Pötter</dc:creator>
		
		<category><![CDATA[OpenID]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[One of the major obstacles of OpenID is certainly usability. Most people are not used to a URL as a method of login. This prevents OpenID from mass adoption. So any tool, service, or application making the login procedure easier and more comfortable is welcome.
Today ClickPass has launched which promises one-click signin to OpenID enabled [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the major obstacles of <a href="http://openid.net/" rel="nofollow"  title="openid"><strong>OpenID</strong></a> is certainly usability. Most people are not used to a <abbr title="Uniform Resource Locator">URL</abbr> as a method of login. This prevents OpenID from mass adoption. So any tool, service, or application making the login procedure easier and more comfortable is welcome.</p>
<p>Today <a href="http://www.clickpass.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="clickpass"><strong>ClickPass</strong></a> has launched which promises one-click signin to OpenID enabled websites. As far as I understand it, it aims to reduce transfers which happen behind the scenes between the OpenID provider and the relying party. Well, I have tried it, so here is a small guide of how to use it.</p>
<h4>Using ClickPass</h4>
<p>Currently ClickPass just works with a small number of websites, one being <a href="http://www.plaxo.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="plaxo">Plaxo</a>. It is not really suprising that Plaxo is one of the sites. Everytime some company is offering a new service making things easier for users, it seems like those companies are calling <span class="vcard"><a href="http://josephsmarr.com/" rel="nofollow" class="url fn"  title="joseph smarr">Joseph Smarr</a></span> of Plaxo and asking him to implement it quickly. And faster than I could add a new plugin to WordPress, Joseph implements those services to Plaxo. It&#8217;s strange, but not surprising at all anymore. Oh yeah, other sites currently supported include <a href="http://disqus.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="disqus">Disqus</a> and <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/" rel="nofollow"  title="hacker news">Hacker News</a>; also a WordPress plugin is available.</p>
<p>Since I have a Plaxo account already I have tried logging in to it with ClickPass; I have created a ClickPass account before. On the Plaxo sign in page there is a new button now: the ClickPass button. If you click on the OpenID image, a list of popular OpenID providers is dropping down. Anyway, clicking <em>Enter</em> I am forwarded to ClickPass to set things up.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/clickpass_plaxo.jpg" alt="clickpass plaxo" title="clickpass plaxo" align="bottom" width="250" height="381" border="0" /></p>
<p>Once forwarded to ClickPass I am asked which websites I want to use with it. I only choose Plaxo.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/websites.jpg" alt="websites" title="websites" align="bottom" width="490" height="291" border="0" /></p>
<p>Next I have to connect Plaxo to ClickPass and something strange happens: I am asked for my Plaxo login credentials! Although it says, those credentials are not stored on ClickPass I feel rather uncomfortable giving away my login details. Luckily I can skip this step.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/connect.jpg" alt="connect" title="connect" align="bottom" width="491" height="373" border="0" /></p>
<p>After choosing a username (which is part of my ClickPass OpenID) my ClickPass profile is build.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/profile.jpg" alt="profile" title="profile" align="bottom" width="490" height="284" border="0" /></p>
<p>ClickPass appends a unique <abbr title="identity">ID</abbr> to each site. This is <em>directed identity</em>, right? So ClickPass will only work with OpenID 2.0 enabled websites since it is not supported by OpenID 1.1.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/openid_settings.jpg" alt="openid settings" title="openid settings" align="bottom" width="490" height="161" border="0" /></p>
<p>So can I use Plaxo with ClickPass now? Let&#8217;s see. Back at Plaxo I click on the ClickPass button, magic happens&#8230;</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/authenticating.jpg" alt="authenticating" title="authenticating" align="bottom" width="154" height="94" border="0" /></p>
<p>&#8230;and then I should merge my existing Plaxo account with ClickPass. It wants my Plaxo login credentials again! And this time I can&#8217;t skip the step.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.notsorelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/merge_accounts.jpg" alt="merge accounts" title="merge accounts" align="bottom" width="490" height="353" border="0" /></p>
<p>Stop!</p>
<h4>Solution?</h4>
<p>I don&#8217;t give passwords to any third party website anymore. That&#8217;s simply not cool! The ClickPass guys are probably totally sound people and even <span class="vcard"><a href="http://kveton.com/blog/" rel="nofollow" class="url fn"  title="scott kveton">Scott Kveton</a></span> is on their board. But I refuse to do that.</p>
<p>There have to be better solutions for making the OpenID experience more comfortable for mainstream users. OpenID is here to overcome the password dilemma of many people, even trying to be more secure. Giving away passwords to third party sites is contradictory and is giving the wrong signal to users.</p>
<p>Also it is not really looking good to have another button on relying parties&#8217; sites. Yahoo! has introduced a signin button already. Now there is ClickPass. How will websites look if every provider had their own signin button? Ugly, unclear, confusing even.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like it. But maybe I just totally missed the point of it. Maybe&#8230;</p>


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